RE: [mcfa-int] RE: [mcfa-es] recognition of academic titles/SOLVIT

[Sara Melendro <S.Melendro-Oliver@DROPMEexeter.ac.uk>]

Dear all, unfortunatly I have also clashed against the Spanish bureaucracy in 
this issue, and is not even being foreign that is the problem, I'm a Spanish 
national, however I committed the crime of studying abroad and now I'm in the 
same situation as that refered to here by many. I am about to finish my PhD 
now and unfortunatly it wont be homologated, not even after paying loads of 
many and waiting months.Because I did my undergraduate degree in a subject 
that does not exist in Spanish universities (women's studies), they are not 
homologating my degree and although my MA and PhD are in a recognised subject 
(Sociology) they argue that since they dont recognise my degree they can't not 
homologate my PhD either...So, it turns out that after 7 years of University 
study in the UK, I'll have nothing if I was to go back to Spain, crazy if you 
ask me, especially when you can come here (UK) with spanish titles and work 
without problem, it defies all understanding I think. Anyway, if any kind of 
action is taken to fight this I'd gladly get involved.

Best,
sara.
>===== Original Message From "Aaike Oosterkamp" <aaikeoosterkamp@DROPMEhotmail.com> 
=====
>Hi,
>
>What would happen if all European states would have similar procedures? Then
>no-one would be able to hold a university position outside his own country.
>To me these procedures are 'import' restrictions imposed by the Spanish
>government : 'Let's make sure that no foreigner ever gets a Spanish
>university position'.
>
>I think that Mark van Raay has done a great job with his letter to the EC
>parlament. Let's hope that the infrignment procedure that the EU has started
>against Spain has some result.
>
>
>Cheers,
>
>Aaike Oosterkamp
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Erik-jan Malta" <erih.malta@DROPMEuca.es>
>>To: "MCFA ES list" <mcfa-es@DROPMEmariecurie.org>, <mcfa-int@DROPMEmariecurie.org>
>>Subject: [mcfa-es] recognition of academic titles/SOLVIT
>>Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:07:58 +0200
>>
>>Dear all,
>>Those of the Spanish MCFA list are familiar with this case, I'll shortly
>>explain for the others. I hold a Dutch PhD title in sciences from the
>>university in Nijmegen. I am living in Spain and trying to apply for a job
>>as assistent professor at a spanish university. This means trouble. All (or
>>most there might be some good ones around) universities and other
>>government institutes do not accept the foreign title but require a
>>so-called homologation by the spanish ministry of both the PhD and MSc
>>title. This procedure costs about 300 euors and takes 6 months at the very
>>least, usually longer - check the MCFA-ES archives for horror stories on
>>this subject. The point is, that to my (and others) best knowledge this is
>>illegal and Dr titles should be accepted in the entire EU. However, when I
>>try to apply for a job they always exclude me because of this. I am now
>>going to try and fight it using the SOLVIT agencies of the EU DG Internal
>>Market. Therefore I would like to know if there is anyone among you who
>>tried this before and what your experiences are. I am also very interested
>>if someone has tried to fight a similar problem in Spain or another
>>European country before. Let's try to break down these mobility barriers!
>>Thanks,
>>Erik.
>>
>>Dr. Erik-jan Malta
>>
>>Dpto. de Biología
>>Facultad de Ciencias del Mar
>>Universidad de Cádiz
>>Pol. Río San Pedro S/N
>>11510 Puerto Real (Cádiz)
>>Spain
>>
>>Tel. +34 956 016026
>>Fax +34 956016019
>
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Sara Melendro-Oliver
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